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December 8, 2005
The Apple Core: FireWire not dead, but it's on life support

I was genuinely surprised when Apple dropped FireWire sync from the iPod nano. So much so that I almost returned mine when I first made the gruesome discovery. I thought for sure that FireWire would live forever in the bigger iPods and that it was just a casualty of the nano's small size. Unfortunately, FireWire's almost dead completely.
Read the rest of the story on my ZDNet Blog: The Apple Core.
Posted by jasonogrady at December 8, 2005 8:46 AM
Category: The Apple Core
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I personally don't think that Apple will or can drop firewire from their laptops, my main reason for this is the fact that you can't boot from a USB hard drive, making the only option for booting a computer with wiped hard drive the disk drive. It also compromises speed on external hard drives, don't let the 480mbps on usb and 400mbps on firewire fool you, firewire has a faster sustainable speed.
Posted by: marcus Manchester at December 8, 2005 10:59 PM
I doubt Apple would do this for the simple reason that Firewire is used by almost all DV cameras in the market to date. Seeming the iBook has iMovie & Apple want to sell more FCPs I dont think this rumor has any merit unless Apple's planning to offer a subnotebook that'll compete in the sub $999 range
Posted by: dust at December 9, 2005 5:40 AM
Replacing FW400 by FW800 is anything but a drop.
You just need another cable, or a 1 dollar adapter to plug a FW400 device to a FW800.
So why is anyone taliking about dropping firewire support, although this looks more like an upgrade to FW 800 ?
Posted by: Jerome at December 9, 2005 6:26 AM
I don't think we'll see this happen because when's the last time you saw a DV camcorder that could feed a computer a true DV signal through USB2? Sure, most have USB ports now, but those are for web streaming and don't give you the true DV format. If Apple were to remove the Firewire ports from the iBook, that would mean all the DV camcorder manufacturers would have to start using USB 2 as the DV connection, and it would mean really making a lot of new owners mad.
Posted by: Brian Peat at December 9, 2005 11:39 AM
What role do you think Serial 2 has in the future for iBook external storage?
Posted by: Benton at December 9, 2005 2:41 PM
That's the stupidest thing I ever heard. He probably heard there would not be a FW 400 port, and assumed it wasn't being replaced by a FW 800 port.
FW adoption is increasing in the industry, and Macs need it for target disk mode and booting from an external disk. There's no way it would be dropped.
Posted by: Kevin at December 9, 2005 5:03 PM
Not to mention the many firewire audio interfaces. Pro recording techs use on-location gear with firewire I/O boxes. Industry standard.
Posted by: Bob at December 9, 2005 10:28 PM
Are you kidding me? Apple dropped firewire support from the iPod because it was cheaper to drop it, and because it was unnecessary, as every computer sold in the past 4 years is equipped with USB2 ports. USB2 has become the standard for those kinds of peripherals, but not for digital video. Apple will NOT drop firewire from any of their computers any time soon- if ever (assuming firewire 3, etc will be backwords compatible). Firewire is necessary for digital video, which Apple is still pushing as a major selling point for their computers. To think they might drop firewire is just plain idiotic.
Posted by: Chris Mischler at December 9, 2005 11:22 PM
I too thought the firewireles ipods signalled the beginning of the end for firewire.
I have no trouble seeing the new ibooks without firewrie, especially if they get something like a PC-card slot.
I won't say never, cuz Apple pulls some jacka$$ manuevers sometimes, but I don't think they will ditch firewire anytime soon. That move would kill iLife (iMovie especially) since there are almost no DV cams out there with USB2 for video transfer. I won't say never... but I will say HIGHLY unlikely.
Posted by: steve at December 10, 2005 2:21 AM
I hope all those saying it won't happen are correct but I fear they are not. Drop it from the Intel iBook, then it'll be the Intel iMac and finally the Intel PB and PowerMacs (though possibly not the first versions). I think it's quite possible the price Apple have had to pay for good access and prices on all these shiny new Intel processors is to "knife the baby", the FireWire baby...
Posted by: David S. at December 10, 2005 4:45 AM
C'mon don't you think they wouldn't change for something better. Apple is for most people there new monster has a portable. I'm sure MAC wants to keep this growing, like I read ealier the'll be some sort of FW800.
Apple will rule !!!!
Aca
Posted by: Acadien- at December 10, 2005 11:31 AM
> I personally don't think that Apple will or can drop firewire from their laptops, my main reason for this is the fact that you can't boot from a USB hard drive
Um.. yes you can, that's nonsense.
Posted by: james at December 10, 2005 6:17 PM
Either this guy doesn't know what he talks about or Jobs completely lost his mind. while making iPod USB appeals to PC users. there is no single benefit dropping firewires from laptops (save $10 cost?) and will only piss off vast majority mac users who are still absorbing the shock of the intel switch. If this does happen, my next laptop will not be a mac but a tablet PC.
Posted by: Kenny Ye at December 10, 2005 10:33 PM
Um, you can boot off USB. In fact I just booted off my thumb drive to ghost my machine. I'm sure you can do it, just depends on the BIOS of the machine.
Posted by: Bob at December 11, 2005 2:34 AM

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